Comments on: Update from Belarus http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/ belarusian perspectives - the two sides of one blogger Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:10:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on Update from Belarus by: The Who new album http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-359450 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:38:11 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-359450 <strong>Anyhow</strong> They became well-known for energetic live performances. They were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1990, their 1st year of eligibility. Baseing on to the New York Times, The Who have sold one hundred million discs. Anyhow

They became well-known for energetic live performances. They were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1990, their 1st year of eligibility. Baseing on to the New York Times, The Who have sold one hundred million discs.

]]> Comment on Update from Belarus by: Vesstreaskkab http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-224689 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:52:23 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-224689 I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well.

]]> Comment on Update from Belarus by: Vesstreaskkab http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-210474 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:04:46 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-210474 I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links: I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:

]]> Comment on Update from Belarus by: Doodee http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-208182 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:41:44 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-208182 Thanks for sharing Thanks for sharing

]]> Comment on Update from Belarus by: Administrator http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-560 Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:44:18 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-560 In Dutch Wikipedia there's a good explanation that Wit-Rusland is not really a correct term, a historical misunderstanding: "De benaming Belarus, met de klemtoon op de laatste lettergreep, is afkomstig van de Russische woorden Белая (Bjelaja, dat wit betekent) en Русь (Roes', Roethenië), een oude historische benaming voor het gebied waar Oost-Slaven woonden. Dit gebied werd traditioneel onderverdeeld in Wit-Roethenië (grotendeels het huidige Wit-Rusland), Zwart-Roethenië (een gebied in het zuidwesten van Wit-Rusland), en Rood-Roethenië (een gebied in Polen en Oekraïne). Later werd de naam Roethenië beperkt tot het huidige gebied Transkarpatië in Oekraïne, terwijl Roes' meer als synoniem voor (Groot-)Rusland werd genomen. De Nederlandse benaming Wit-Rusland is derhalve een letterlijke (zij het historisch gezien niet geheel correcte) vertaling van Belarus. In officiële teksten wordt in het Nederlands de naam Belarus gebruikt. Sommige Belarussische nationalisten maken echter bezwaar tegen het gebruik van de term Wit-Rusland als vertaling van Белая Русь, omdat dit in hun ogen een associatie heeft met het imperialisme van Rusland in de tsarentijd en het Sovjettijdperk, terwijl het eigenlijk betrekking op Wit-Roethenië zou moeten hebben." So, at least, Dutch people who work on Wikipedia, are aware of the stuff that is being "lost in translation." It's good to know that. In Dutch Wikipedia there’s a good explanation that Wit-Rusland is not really a correct term, a historical misunderstanding:

“De benaming Belarus, met de klemtoon op de laatste lettergreep, is afkomstig van de Russische woorden Белая (Bjelaja, dat wit betekent) en Русь (Roes’, Roethenië), een oude historische benaming voor het gebied waar Oost-Slaven woonden. Dit gebied werd traditioneel onderverdeeld in Wit-Roethenië (grotendeels het huidige Wit-Rusland), Zwart-Roethenië (een gebied in het zuidwesten van Wit-Rusland), en Rood-Roethenië (een gebied in Polen en Oekraïne). Later werd de naam Roethenië beperkt tot het huidige gebied Transkarpatië in Oekraïne, terwijl Roes’ meer als synoniem voor (Groot-)Rusland werd genomen. De Nederlandse benaming Wit-Rusland is derhalve een letterlijke (zij het historisch gezien niet geheel correcte) vertaling van Belarus. In officiële teksten wordt in het Nederlands de naam Belarus gebruikt.

Sommige Belarussische nationalisten maken echter bezwaar tegen het gebruik van de term Wit-Rusland als vertaling van Белая Русь, omdat dit in hun ogen een associatie heeft met het imperialisme van Rusland in de tsarentijd en het Sovjettijdperk, terwijl het eigenlijk betrekking op Wit-Roethenië zou moeten hebben.”

So, at least, Dutch people who work on Wikipedia, are aware of the stuff that is being “lost in translation.” It’s good to know that.

]]> Comment on Update from Belarus by: Administrator http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-559 Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:36:03 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-559 <b>Riku</b>: Thank you for your comment! :) &#62; BTW, that was the first time I heard that the word wouldn’t be correct. There are two names: 1) Historical Rus' == Ruthenia (as it's called in Latin or in modern English) 2) Muscovy == Modern Russia Historical Rus' (Ruthenia) is what is today mostly Ukraine (Kievan Rus), Belarus (White and Black Rus), some parts of Poland and Slovakia with Ruthenian history, ...and very-very small part of modern Russia. Modern Russia is what grew out of Muscovy and it has almost nothing to do with the Old Rus'. Riku: Thank you for your comment! :)

> BTW, that was the first time I heard that the word wouldn’t be correct.

There are two names:

1) Historical Rus’ == Ruthenia (as it’s called in Latin or in modern English)

2) Muscovy == Modern Russia

Historical Rus’ (Ruthenia) is what is today mostly Ukraine (Kievan Rus), Belarus (White and Black Rus), some parts of Poland and Slovakia with Ruthenian history, …and very-very small part of modern Russia.

Modern Russia is what grew out of Muscovy and it has almost nothing to do with the Old Rus’.

]]> Comment on Update from Belarus by: Riku http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-558 Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:21:16 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-558 In Finnish we are nasty as well. We call your country Valko-Venäjä. Russia is Venäjä. And Valko-Venäjä is like White Russia. Belarus sounds somewhat weird for us and it is hard word for our grammar. Nobody uses it. Maybe it should be Pelarussi or something like that. So we could be able pronounce it. BTW, that was the first time I heard that the word wouldn't be correct. But yes, we are weird: Germany = Saksa Estonia = Viro Sweden = Ruotsi Russia = Venäjä Austria = Itävalta Belarus = Valko-Venäjä Denmark = Tanska Netherland = Alankomaat USA = Yhdysvallat France = Ranska Poland = Puola Finland = Suomi and Daugava = Väinä St Petersburg = Pietari Kiev = Kiova Stockholm = Tukholma Copenhagen = Kööpenhamina Vilnius = Vilna Pskov = Pihkova In Finnish we are nasty as well. We call your country Valko-Venäjä. Russia is Venäjä. And Valko-Venäjä is like White Russia. Belarus sounds somewhat weird for us and it is hard word for our grammar. Nobody uses it. Maybe it should be Pelarussi or something like that. So we could be able pronounce it. BTW, that was the first time I heard that the word wouldn’t be correct.

But yes, we are weird:

Germany = Saksa
Estonia = Viro
Sweden = Ruotsi
Russia = Venäjä
Austria = Itävalta
Belarus = Valko-Venäjä
Denmark = Tanska
Netherland = Alankomaat
USA = Yhdysvallat
France = Ranska
Poland = Puola
Finland = Suomi

and

Daugava = Väinä
St Petersburg = Pietari
Kiev = Kiova
Stockholm = Tukholma
Copenhagen = Kööpenhamina
Vilnius = Vilna
Pskov = Pihkova

]]> Comment on Update from Belarus by: Administrator http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-557 Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:11:57 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-557 <b>anon</b>: I know. How about the word Gudja (Gudia?) in Lithuanian? Anyone uses it? anon: I know. How about the word Gudja (Gudia?) in Lithuanian? Anyone uses it?

]]> Comment on Update from Belarus by: anon http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-556 Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:50:04 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-556 And of course in "Klieneslitauen" (i.e. Lietuva, i.e. Lithuania) they call it "Baltarusija" (i.e. White Russia, i.e. Weissrussland). Just to confuse matters further. OTOH they aren't fond of Lukashenka; you should what they call _him_. So maybe they cancel each other out. And of course in “Klieneslitauen” (i.e. Lietuva, i.e. Lithuania) they call it “Baltarusija” (i.e. White Russia, i.e. Weissrussland). Just to confuse matters further.

OTOH they aren’t fond of Lukashenka; you should what they call _him_. So maybe they cancel each other out.

]]> Comment on Update from Belarus by: petr http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-550 Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:47:36 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-550 In Czech, it's Belorusko (as you probably know). In Czech, it’s Belorusko (as you probably know).

]]> Comment on Update from Belarus by: Administrator http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-548 Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:45:17 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-548 <b>Ritvars Eglājs</b>: The problem with Dutch is that at least in Latvian it's one word "Baltkrievija" (or even in German it's one word "Weissrussland", and besides they use "Belarus" more and more), but in Dutch they put it as two separate words: "Wit-Rusland". Ritvars Eglājs: The problem with Dutch is that at least in Latvian it’s one word “Baltkrievija” (or even in German it’s one word “Weissrussland”, and besides they use “Belarus” more and more), but in Dutch they put it as two separate words: “Wit-Rusland”.

]]> Comment on Update from Belarus by: Administrator http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-547 Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:43:08 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-547 <b>Ritvars Eglājs</b>: Yea, I know. But at least for our ears it doesn't sound so bad because Kriwi is our ancient tribe: * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryvian (In fact, the Latvian word for Russians is probably related to that tribe name, which makes it yet another case of historical confusion in our region ;)). Ritvars Eglājs: Yea, I know.

But at least for our ears it doesn’t sound so bad because Kriwi is our ancient tribe:

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryvian

(In fact, the Latvian word for Russians is probably related to that tribe name, which makes it yet another case of historical confusion in our region ;)).

]]> Comment on Update from Belarus by: Ritvars Eglājs http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-546 Thu, 09 Mar 2006 07:14:28 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/09/update-from-belarus/#comment-546 The same for the nasty Latvians: Baltkrievija = the White Russia. The same for the nasty Latvians: Baltkrievija = the White Russia.

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