Comments on: Scotland - Belarus http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/ belarusian perspectives - the two sides of one blogger Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:19:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: Alex http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-294070 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:11:59 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-294070 I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you down the road! I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you down the road!

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: Vesstreaskkab http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-224658 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:55:30 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-224658 I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well.

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: Vesstreaskkab http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-210528 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:47:25 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-210528 I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links: I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: Doodee http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-208145 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:35:24 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-208145 Thanks for sharing Thanks for sharing

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: Scotland no longer Belarus of the West? at TOL Belarus http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-181588 Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:14:55 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-181588 [...] About two months ago Br23, who as the regular readers of this blog would know is going through rough times now, posted an entry on his blog, which referred to the famous British historian Niall Ferguson and his view of Scotland as ?the Belarus of the West? (in an article published earlier, Ferguson called to liquidate Scotland and sell off its assets as soon as possible). [...] […] About two months ago Br23, who as the regular readers of this blog would know is going through rough times now, posted an entry on his blog, which referred to the famous British historian Niall Ferguson and his view of Scotland as ?the Belarus of the West? (in an article published earlier, Ferguson called to liquidate Scotland and sell off its assets as soon as possible). […]

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: DavidB http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-174878 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:47:11 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-174878 Mmmm. I've just accidentally found this blog (looking for an Under 17 football score from tonight - think Scotland won - sorry Belarus) - anyway. This is all very well, but I think that Niall Ferguson might find that within 10 years Scotland is an Independent country anyway. The tide is turning, and opinions are changing. Hell, the English actaully think it's a good idea too (now that they have a hightened sense of their own national identity). Don't write Scotland or the Scots off yet. Mmmm. I’ve just accidentally found this blog (looking for an Under 17 football score from tonight - think Scotland won - sorry Belarus) - anyway. This is all very well, but I think that Niall Ferguson might find that within 10 years Scotland is an Independent country anyway. The tide is turning, and opinions are changing. Hell, the English actaully think it’s a good idea too (now that they have a hightened sense of their own national identity).

Don’t write Scotland or the Scots off yet.

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: ultram http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-25017 Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:56:10 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-25017 Very good site! <a href="http://ultram-onli.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">ultram</a>, [url=http://ultram-onli.blogspot.com]ultram[/url]. Very good site! ultram, [url=http://ultram-onli.blogspot.com]ultram[/url].

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: Belarus » Blog Archive » Scotland no longer Belarus of the West? http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-6356 Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:17:35 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-6356 [...] About two months ago Br23, who as the regular readers of this blog would know is going through rough times now, posted an entry on his blog, which referred to the famous British historian Niall Ferguson and his view of Scotland as &#8220;the Belarus of the West&#8221; (in an article published earlier, Ferguson called to liquidate Scotland and sell off its assets as soon as possible). [...] […] About two months ago Br23, who as the regular readers of this blog would know is going through rough times now, posted an entry on his blog, which referred to the famous British historian Niall Ferguson and his view of Scotland as “the Belarus of the West” (in an article published earlier, Ferguson called to liquidate Scotland and sell off its assets as soon as possible). […]

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: Belarus » Blog Archive » Scotland no longer Belarus of the West? http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-6357 Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:17:35 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-6357 [...] About two months ago Br23, who as the regular readers of this blog would know is going through rough times now, posted an entry on his blog, which referred to the famous British historian Niall Ferguson and his view of Scotland as &#8220;the Belarus of the West&#8221; (in an article published earlier, Ferguson called to liquidate Scotland and sell off its assets as soon as possible). [...] […] About two months ago Br23, who as the regular readers of this blog would know is going through rough times now, posted an entry on his blog, which referred to the famous British historian Niall Ferguson and his view of Scotland as “the Belarus of the West” (in an article published earlier, Ferguson called to liquidate Scotland and sell off its assets as soon as possible). […]

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: }T{Reme [Q_G] http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1837 Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:30:46 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1837 "Do you like spend all day surfing blogs looking for the absolute most obscure comparisons you can possibly find?" Lol what ajnovak wrote there made me chuckle for a bit :) “Do you like spend all day surfing blogs looking for the absolute most obscure comparisons you can possibly find?”

Lol what ajnovak wrote there made me chuckle for a bit :)

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: Administrator http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1792 Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:20:45 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1792 <b>Aharoni</b>: I think they were refering to Niall Ferguson, a well-known and widely published British historian, professor from Harvard, a Senior Research Fellow of Jesus College, Oxford University, and a Senior Fellow of the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. Aharoni: I think they were refering to Niall Ferguson, a well-known and widely published British historian, professor from Harvard, a Senior Research Fellow of Jesus College, Oxford University, and a Senior Fellow of the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: aharoni http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1791 Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:18:08 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1791 Bitter expat, eh? Bitter expat, eh?

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: Administrator http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1790 Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:55:18 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1790 P.S. Btw, this entry sparkled a discussion elsewhere. Here are some comments from the people who didn't appreciate the parallels. ;) <b>dsgood</b> (2006-04-26 02:40 am) On the other hand: Lowland Scotland has more in common culturally with England than with the Highlands. And some of the islands used to be culturally Scandinavian. I don't think Belarus has any equivalent of the Highlands, the Islands, or the Scottish Border. <b>rfmcdpei</b> (2006-04-26 06:50) The formerly Polish and Polonized west, perhaps? <b>rdi</b> (2006-04-26 02:42 pm) Dunno...it only seems to be folk from Belurus, and one bitter expat, who think so. It's not as if Scotland disppeared off the map after 1707, whereas Belarus was pretty much invisible for the last couple of hundred years. Also, the Scots invented the modern world. What's Belarus done lately? :-) <b>rfmcdpei</b> (2006-04-26 06:51 pm) Perhaps, though I might argue that they do share certain traits, Belarus simply exaggerating them. There was North Britain, after all. <b>rdi</b> (2006-04-26 07:35 pm) Yes, but the only place I've *ever* seen that used was in an Oscar Wilde play. No Scotsman's ever had to explain that they were from "North Britain". Personally I always thougt Scotland and Canada had much more in common: small resource-rich, capital-poor nations with a large culturally dominant neighbour with a history of military and economic aggression. <b>ajnovak</b> (2006-04-26 09:58 pm) Not to mention that more people speak Scotch Gaelic in Nova Scotia than they do in Scotland! Do you like spend all day surfing blogs looking for the absolute most obscure comparisons you can possibly find? lol, because this is a real candidate. P.S. Btw, this entry sparkled a discussion elsewhere. Here are some comments from the people who didn’t appreciate the parallels. ;)

dsgood (2006-04-26 02:40 am)

On the other hand: Lowland Scotland has more in common culturally with England than with the Highlands. And some of the islands used to be culturally Scandinavian.

I don’t think Belarus has any equivalent of the Highlands, the Islands, or the Scottish Border.

rfmcdpei (2006-04-26 06:50)

The formerly Polish and Polonized west, perhaps?

rdi (2006-04-26 02:42 pm)

Dunno…it only seems to be folk from Belurus, and one bitter expat, who think so. It’s not as if Scotland disppeared off the map after 1707, whereas Belarus was pretty much invisible for the last couple of hundred years.

Also, the Scots invented the modern world. What’s Belarus done lately? :-)

rfmcdpei (2006-04-26 06:51 pm)

Perhaps, though I might argue that they do share certain traits, Belarus simply exaggerating them. There was North Britain, after all.

rdi (2006-04-26 07:35 pm)

Yes, but the only place I’ve *ever* seen that used was in an Oscar Wilde play. No Scotsman’s ever had to explain that they were from “North Britain”.

Personally I always thougt Scotland and Canada had much more in common: small resource-rich, capital-poor nations with a large culturally dominant neighbour with a history of military and economic aggression.

ajnovak (2006-04-26 09:58 pm)

Not to mention that more people speak Scotch Gaelic in Nova Scotia than they do in Scotland!

Do you like spend all day surfing blogs looking for the absolute most obscure comparisons you can possibly find? lol, because this is a real candidate.

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: BiB http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1733 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:07:34 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1733 I remember that moment from Trainspotting very well as the enthusiastic friend takes his less than enthusiastic friends out into the wilds of Scotland. Very funny. (The people I watched it with, neither Scottish nor English, assumed that I, as an Englishman, would be massively offended by it!) As you say, the big difference between Scotland and Belarus is that Belarus is independent and Scotland isn't. I remember that moment from Trainspotting very well as the enthusiastic friend takes his less than enthusiastic friends out into the wilds of Scotland. Very funny. (The people I watched it with, neither Scottish nor English, assumed that I, as an Englishman, would be massively offended by it!)

As you say, the big difference between Scotland and Belarus is that Belarus is independent and Scotland isn’t.

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: }T{Reme [Q_G] http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1722 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:01:46 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1722 Administrator "Without googling it? ;) ": Hehe well I imagined it had something to do with something you wrote recently. Honestly, I have never seen trainspotting but I do remember some article you posted about it. But that's where my memory ends... have very bad memory :( Administrator “Without googling it? ;) “:

Hehe well I imagined it had something to do with something you wrote recently. Honestly, I have never seen trainspotting but I do remember some article you posted about it. But that’s where my memory ends… have very bad memory :(

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: aharoni http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1713 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:17:28 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1713 I do know the answer without googling, knew it at "lowest of the fucking low". I do know the answer without googling, knew it at “lowest of the fucking low”.

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: Administrator http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1696 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:00:21 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1696 &#62; Do know the answer Without googling it? ;) > Do know the answer

Without googling it? ;)

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: }T{Reme [Q_G] http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1694 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:55:11 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1694 "Do you recognize the quote? ;))" : Lol... some of the words and phrases remind me of someone I know... Or used to... she spoke just like that. Do know the answer, wonder if aharoni does also :) “Do you recognize the quote? ;))” :

Lol… some of the words and phrases remind me of someone I know… Or used to… she spoke just like that. Do know the answer, wonder if aharoni does also :)

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: Administrator http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1693 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:42:32 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1693 What can I say to that, <b>Aharoni</b>? That's our Scottish-Belarusian reality. X: "I hate being Belarusian. We're the lowest of the fucking low, the scum of the earth, the most wretched, servile, miserable, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the Russians, but I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers. We can't even pick a decent culture to be colonized by. We are ruled by effete arseholes. It's a shite state of affairs and all the fresh air in the world will not make any fucking difference." Do you recognize the quote? ;)) What can I say to that, Aharoni? That’s our Scottish-Belarusian reality.

X: “I hate being Belarusian. We’re the lowest of the fucking low, the scum of the earth, the most wretched, servile, miserable, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the Russians, but I don’t. They’re just wankers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers. We can’t even pick a decent culture to be colonized by. We are ruled by effete arseholes. It’s a shite state of affairs and all the fresh air in the world will not make any fucking difference.”

Do you recognize the quote? ;))

]]> Comment on Scotland - Belarus by: aharoni http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1689 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:09:50 +0000 http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/25/scotland-belarus/#comment-1689 Actually i think that Luka doesn't do much to Russify Belarus by force! It seems to me that many people just don't really care what language to speak and they choose the more prestigious one themselves. Yes, i know that he's website is in Russian. Yes, i know that he held a dubious referendum on the status of Russian language, but maybe people really didn't mind that Russian will be equal and didn't think that Belarusian will be hurt so badly as a result. Yes, i know that he closed the last Belarusian school in Minsk, but its students and teachers were politically active against his regime, so it's quite possible that the language wasn't the only issue there. Still, as Orwell said - "the hope lies in the proles". If the people want to save the language, they should just speak it and not blame the government. Actually i think that Luka doesn’t do much to Russify Belarus by force! It seems to me that many people just don’t really care what language to speak and they choose the more prestigious one themselves.

Yes, i know that he’s website is in Russian.

Yes, i know that he held a dubious referendum on the status of Russian language, but maybe people really didn’t mind that Russian will be equal and didn’t think that Belarusian will be hurt so badly as a result.

Yes, i know that he closed the last Belarusian school in Minsk, but its students and teachers were politically active against his regime, so it’s quite possible that the language wasn’t the only issue there.

Still, as Orwell said - “the hope lies in the proles”. If the people want to save the language, they should just speak it and not blame the government.

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