Where’s that?”

I dont know, I cant find it on my maps ;)

“2) Some of the oil is indeed processed into gasoline and sold to other countries. What’s wrong with that?
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True, I dont see how doing business is bad. Its common sense to buy low, sell high and also only way to make profit. This business will be destroyed soon as oil prices go up… (if Putin doesnt get what he wants)

“If Belarus doesn’t survive as a sovereign state, it won’t be because of Russia. It will be because of Belarus.”

Its not because of Belarus but because of one idiot who’s too busy holding power rather than looking to the future and taking steps to prevent such disasters. Belarus is Belarus. He must be talking about lukashenka’s Belarus, an illusion. I already worry about friends not being able to buy food any more when there wont be any more cheap oil and gas :( I’m also worried what the regime will do in return. Ration gas usage? (People freezing to death in their homes at winter) Sign annexation contracts? (Belarus dissapearing from the map) Or just ignore the problem and use it as propaganda to blame the west again. Even on his filthy president site there’s no trace whatsoever about what will be done.

Ps. Rather nice sign of how badly things are being censored, only part of that site is translated in English. The difference is striking when you switch between Russian and English and back a few times.

bobra_zhelatel

LOL

“Belarus’ opposition leader commented on an article from a Russian newspaper “Kommersant” (which is quite close to Kremlin, journalists say)” - actually, the Kommersant was paper of mr. Berezhovsky, who has a little personal vendetta with Kremlin. He just sold it to his old business partner and friend Badry Patricatcishwilly. If they lie in such a facts….

The Byelorussian president now has a good “business” - Byelorussia buys gas and oil for 1/5 of its European market price from Russia, and then they are sold to Central Europe for the full market price.

> Byelorussia

Where’s that?

> buys gas and oil for 1/5 of its European market price from Russia, and then they are sold to Central Europe for the full market price.

1) Gas is merely transited, at a very low rate. Gas is owned by Russia and is sold to Western and Central Europe. Belarus only provides transit at low prices.

2) Some of the oil is indeed processed into gasoline and sold to other countries. What’s wrong with that?
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bobra_zhelatel

1) Gas is also sold directly to Belorussia for 1/5 of its price for consuption. It could be transited and sold in Europe for full price. Byelorussia is wellcomed to transit gas for market price too. It’s a business.

2) When oil is bued for special low price, and after processing is sold to other countries for market price, it is very good from point of view of those, who process this oil :-). But why Russia should sponsor this very nice business with oil for special price? I see no reason for that.

> for market price

That would be good. Alexander Lukashenka pulled the whole country into a special program with Russia “Cheap Oil in exchange for Kisses.” I also think market model is the prefered way to go. And that’s what Milinkevich is basically saying as well.

graf_garcia

ooh again
where do you see sanctions?
Belarus will be forced to pay market prices for Russian goods.
Long overdue, I would say.
If it proves that Belarus is not viable as a sovereign country with meaningful economy, tough luck then.
I am not sure the economic failure of Belarus will automatically mean its incorporation into Russia.
I would say it is the opposite: Russia had subsidized ex-Soviet republics because the Kremlin sort of hoped for the new crystallization of post-Soviet Union around Russia. Now it’s clear that it won’t happen. They don’t want to pay for an illusion anymore.

If Belarus doesn’t survive as a sovereign state, it won’t be because of Russia. It will be because of Belarus.

P.S. If I were you I would worry more about the fact that there are more Belarussians working in Moscow than Belarussians able to speak Belarusian. Yes I know countries which don’t have their own language but do survive as sovereign states: Austria, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Moldova. But Belarus will have it a bit more difficult, with or without cheap gas.

PPS. To be clear - I don’t want Belarus included into Russia in any form. I want it to stay separate.

> Belarus will be forced to pay market prices for Russian goods.

As I said, market model would be good. Alexander Lukashenka pulled the whole country into a special program “Cheap Oil in exchange for Kisses.” I also think market model is the prefered way to go. And that’s what Milinkevich is basically saying.

> If I were you I would worry more about the fact that there are more Belarusians working in Moscow than Belarusians able to speak Belarusian.

Any concrete numbers (and their sources)?

P.S. Though yes, I understand what you mean. And, yes, indeed I’m concerned about that.

http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?page=detail_info&article=358695&lng=1#

Dziakuj za padkazku. I’ll remove that sentence.

Still, they may have contacts and good information sources in the Kremlin administration. And as soon as the article got on the very front page, the information in it can be treated as proof / or as a public opinion provocation to see how the society will react on it