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	<title>Comments on: White Estonia (Finland)</title>
	<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/</link>
	<description>belarusian perspectives - the two sides of one blogger</description>
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Vesstreaskkab</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-224845</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-224845</guid>
					<description>I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well.</description>
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: SmubparramSat</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-214044</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-214044</guid>
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Vesstreaskkab</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-210493</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-210493</guid>
					<description>I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Doodee</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-208604</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-208604</guid>
					<description>Thanks for sharing</description>
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Dimitr</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-8001</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-8001</guid>
					<description>away and no new traffic should be forwarded  &lt;a href=&quot;http://5nto02ep.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;xanax buy&lt;/a&gt; hould generate a removal query. [url=http://5nto02ep.blogspot.com/]xanax buy[/url]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>away and no new traffic should be forwarded  <a href="http://5nto02ep.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">xanax buy</a> hould generate a removal query. [url=http://5nto02ep.blogspot.com/]xanax buy[/url]
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: }T{Reme [Q_G]</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2969</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 13:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2969</guid>
					<description>Seems like dictionary spam administrator... I very often see those used for email and spam sites. They just pull random words out of a dictionary. Dont know if karma2 allows it but think you can block it if you can set up a filter to block anyone posting messages where the username is also in the url.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seems like dictionary spam administrator&#8230; I very often see those used for email and spam sites. They just pull random words out of a dictionary. Dont know if karma2 allows it but think you can block it if you can set up a filter to block anyone posting messages where the username is also in the url.
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: endrus</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2964</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 11:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2964</guid>
					<description>Tobias, you hit the bull right in the eye :))</description>
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Tobias Ljungvall</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2916</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 22:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2916</guid>
					<description>Br23, I agree with your concern about Valko-vennäja, Weissrussland, Vitryssland etc. I think it may be worthwile trying to have these terms changed into &quot;Belarus&quot;. There will however be some resistance, because the former terms are more understandable to our peoples. If you want to pick a bigbrotherish name for Finland, White Sweden would probably be best since we have traditionally been a country that Finland measures itself against and has historically been part of (plus the fact that Swedish is a second official language and at least in the capital the Swedish-speaking minority is a bit upper-classy).
Tobias
(from Sweden but actually half-Finnish myself)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Br23, I agree with your concern about Valko-vennäja, Weissrussland, Vitryssland etc. I think it may be worthwile trying to have these terms changed into &#8220;Belarus&#8221;. There will however be some resistance, because the former terms are more understandable to our peoples. If you want to pick a bigbrotherish name for Finland, White Sweden would probably be best since we have traditionally been a country that Finland measures itself against and has historically been part of (plus the fact that Swedish is a second official language and at least in the capital the Swedish-speaking minority is a bit upper-classy).<br />
Tobias<br />
(from Sweden but actually half-Finnish myself)
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2872</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 20:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2872</guid>
					<description>&lt;b&gt;}T{Reme [Q_G]&lt;/b&gt;: Here's a sample of how it looks:

Website: phentermine 
IP: different IP's
URI    : phenterminehclhere.blogspot.com
Excerpt: 
&lt;strong&gt;phentermine&lt;/strong&gt;
contraction chilled strands peeled championing!phentermine http://phenterminehclhere.blogspot.com/ 


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And I have &quot;phentermine&quot; blocked in my Wordpress, and this very typical looking spam passes nevertheless, and in Spam Karma 2 it has a very high positive ranking (like 900+), which I've never seen before. I guess that's some spam bot that learned how to crack SK2. I've never seen this before on my blogs.

I also wonder if it is related to this entry, because several Finnish sites linked to it...</description>
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	<p>Website: phentermine<br />
IP: different IP&#8217;s<br />
URI    : phenterminehclhere.blogspot.com<br />
Excerpt:<br />
<strong>phentermine</strong><br />
contraction chilled strands peeled championing!phentermine <a href='http://phenterminehclhere.blogspot.com/' rel='nofollow'>http://phenterminehclhere.blogspot.com/</a> </p>
	<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
	<p>And I have &#8220;phentermine&#8221; blocked in my Wordpress, and this very typical looking spam passes nevertheless, and in Spam Karma 2 it has a very high positive ranking (like 900+), which I&#8217;ve never seen before. I guess that&#8217;s some spam bot that learned how to crack SK2. I&#8217;ve never seen this before on my blogs.</p>
	<p>I also wonder if it is related to this entry, because several Finnish sites linked to it&#8230;
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2871</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 20:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2871</guid>
					<description>&lt;b&gt;}T{Reme [Q_G]&lt;/b&gt;: I think it is. :) Btw, I just got attacked by a flood of automatic comments that bypass Spam Karma 2, so for now I switched back to the mode which allows commenting only to registered users... Sorry for the inconvenience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><b>}T{Reme [Q_G]</b>: I think it is. :) Btw, I just got attacked by a flood of automatic comments that bypass Spam Karma 2, so for now I switched back to the mode which allows commenting only to registered users&#8230; Sorry for the inconvenience.
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: }T{Reme [Q_G]</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2870</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 19:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2870</guid>
					<description>Hmm should note... this is the largest ever thread so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hmm should note&#8230; this is the largest ever thread so far.
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2790</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 16:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2790</guid>
					<description>&lt;b&gt;Random Surfer&lt;/b&gt;: The analogy is not very good, because Swedes do not call Suomi &quot;White Sweden&quot;, i.e. there's no name confusion, there's no &quot;Fin-something-else&quot; or &quot;White Finland&quot; or any other big neighbouring country that uses the same root in its name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><b>Random Surfer</b>: The analogy is not very good, because Swedes do not call Suomi &#8220;White Sweden&#8221;, i.e. there&#8217;s no name confusion, there&#8217;s no &#8220;Fin-something-else&#8221; or &#8220;White Finland&#8221; or any other big neighbouring country that uses the same root in its name.
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Random Surfer</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2776</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2776</guid>
					<description>One more thing.
There's another reason why 'suomalaiset' (The Finns) might find it hard to sympathize with your discontent with the names Belarus has in different countries.
The reason is that we are accustomed that Suomi is known internationally as 'Finland' even though that is the country's Swedish name. Swedish is still Finland's second official language even if Finland hasn't been part of Sweden for nearly 200 years and there are only 5,6% of the population speaking Swedish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One more thing.<br />
There&#8217;s another reason why &#8217;suomalaiset&#8217; (The Finns) might find it hard to sympathize with your discontent with the names Belarus has in different countries.<br />
The reason is that we are accustomed that Suomi is known internationally as &#8216;Finland&#8217; even though that is the country&#8217;s Swedish name. Swedish is still Finland&#8217;s second official language even if Finland hasn&#8217;t been part of Sweden for nearly 200 years and there are only 5,6% of the population speaking Swedish.
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2770</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 10:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2770</guid>
					<description>&lt;b&gt;Merix:&lt;/b&gt; Thanks for your comments, and I apologize if you found some of the comments insulting. No offence was intended. My only intent was to provide information and a bit of historical background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><b>Merix:</b> Thanks for your comments, and I apologize if you found some of the comments insulting. No offence was intended. My only intent was to provide information and a bit of historical background.
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2769</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 10:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2769</guid>
					<description>&lt;b&gt;as:&lt;/b&gt; I watched it. Hleb had a nice opportunity in the second half, when he shot from a long distance. Over all, I think referee &quot;determined&quot; the outcome of the game by giving a red card to Lehmann in the very beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><b>as:</b> I watched it. Hleb had a nice opportunity in the second half, when he shot from a long distance. Over all, I think referee &#8220;determined&#8221; the outcome of the game by giving a red card to Lehmann in the very beginning.
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: as</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2768</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 10:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2768</guid>
					<description>Hey! And you've seem to have missed a football! Do you guys know ALEXANDER HLEB?! the international Belarusian footballer! ALEXANDER HLEB played for Arsenal last night in the UEFA Cup final and had great match! he did belarus and arsenal proud! they should have won! 
for more info on sasha:
http://www.premierleague.com/fapl.rac?command=forwardOnly&amp;#38;nextPage=enPlayerProfile&amp;#38;playerId=245107</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey! And you&#8217;ve seem to have missed a football! Do you guys know ALEXANDER HLEB?! the international Belarusian footballer! ALEXANDER HLEB played for Arsenal last night in the UEFA Cup final and had great match! he did belarus and arsenal proud! they should have won!<br />
for more info on sasha:<br />
<a href='http://www.premierleague.com/fapl.rac?command=forwardOnly&amp;nextPage=enPlayerProfile&amp;playerId=245107' rel='nofollow'>http://www.premierleague.com/fapl.rac?command=forwardOnly&amp;nextPage=enPlayerProfile&amp;playerId=245107</a>
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2767</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 09:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2767</guid>
					<description>&lt;b&gt;Rudolph&lt;/b&gt;: LOL. :)) Btw, I must make a serious correction. EU is no good. It's actually kind of bad when it comes to Belarus-related matters. ;)

Hey, if you don't mind me asking, how does it feel to live in your black-and-white monochrome Universe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><b>Rudolph</b>: LOL. :)) Btw, I must make a serious correction. EU is no good. It&#8217;s actually kind of bad when it comes to Belarus-related matters. ;)</p>
	<p>Hey, if you don&#8217;t mind me asking, how does it feel to live in your black-and-white monochrome Universe?
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Merix</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2760</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 09:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2760</guid>
					<description>Obviously the Germanic style of calling belarus &quot;white russia&quot; is why it's called the same way in Finnish. 
That reminds me of Ivory coast in Africa which is literary &quot;Elephant bone coast&quot; in finnish. We just don't have a single word to describe the elefants tusks as it's very seldom used in finland. Arguing about ignorance and insults in this matter in futile when there aren't enough words in every language to describe everything.

&quot;Salmon snake&quot; is dragon in finnish for example. Are we insulting all dragons by associating them with salmon and snakes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Obviously the Germanic style of calling belarus &#8220;white russia&#8221; is why it&#8217;s called the same way in Finnish.<br />
That reminds me of Ivory coast in Africa which is literary &#8220;Elephant bone coast&#8221; in finnish. We just don&#8217;t have a single word to describe the elefants tusks as it&#8217;s very seldom used in finland. Arguing about ignorance and insults in this matter in futile when there aren&#8217;t enough words in every language to describe everything.</p>
	<p>&#8220;Salmon snake&#8221; is dragon in finnish for example. Are we insulting all dragons by associating them with salmon and snakes?
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Rudolph</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2759</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 09:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2759</guid>
					<description>br23 is a typical russophobe which explains why he spends his time on lecturing others on politically correct etymology. Here is a summary of his world view: Russia bad, Russians bad, EU good, US good, Lukashenko bad, Millinkevich good. Br23's little worls is such a heartbreaking story of fighting between good and evil, I may just have to wet myself over here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>br23 is a typical russophobe which explains why he spends his time on lecturing others on politically correct etymology. Here is a summary of his world view: Russia bad, Russians bad, EU good, US good, Lukashenko bad, Millinkevich good. Br23&#8217;s little worls is such a heartbreaking story of fighting between good and evil, I may just have to wet myself over here.
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 		<title>Comment on White Estonia (Finland) by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2757</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 09:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.br23.net/en/2006/05/17/white-estonia-finland/#comment-2757</guid>
					<description>Excerpts from the discussion on ihwc.net forums:

&lt;b&gt;FireOnIce:&lt;/b&gt;

Valko-Venäjä or &quot;White Russia&quot; is just the way the name of your country is written in Finland. That doesn't mean that we think that you are Russians. We know that you are a separate nation.


&lt;b&gt;QC:&lt;/b&gt;

actually in german we call your country weiss-russland, (which means white-russia too), 

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Dear QC, check out German Wikipedia, please:

* http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus

Belarus ist nicht Weissrussland, aber Weissruthenien.

&quot;Der Name Belarus ist seit dem Mittelalter überliefert und wurde im 19. Jahrhundert allgemein üblich, ist aber mit „Weiße Rus“ (Ruthenien) ungenau übersetzt... Die Verwendung des Wortes Belarus bietet sich also an, um Unklarheiten zu vermeiden. Jedoch ist im Deutschen die Bezeichnung Weißrussland traditionell verbreitet. Die belarussischen offiziellen Stellen wie auch die deutsche Diplomatie bevorzugen auch in deutschsprachigen Texten den Namen Belarus, um die Unterscheidung von Russland zu verdeutlichen.&quot;

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&lt;b&gt;Bungee:&lt;/b&gt;


I have must laugh -- this was good one.. splendid joke..

And they even may say to Suomi guys like 

&quot;Those who come, get drunk and then get back to White Karelia&quot; ---

this one sentence made my buddy Pekka over here verrry angrrry

But stilll FIN is still a bit too strong for BLR


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&lt;b&gt;jäpäkyörä&lt;/b&gt;


If you say belarus here in Finland ,people think you mean that crap tractor

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&amp;#62; if you say &quot;belarus&quot; here in Finland, people think you mean that crap tractor

Let me make myself clear. I'm not saying that you should use &quot;Belarus&quot; in Finnish. I just pointed out that &quot;White Russia&quot; is wrong and misleading. What you should use is totally up to Finnish people and Finnish linguist. I simply said that it's the same if we call you &quot;White Karels&quot; or &quot;White Estonians&quot;.

I also think those tractors are pretty crappy. But foolish Russians still buy them from us. ;))


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&lt;b&gt;BLR:&lt;/b&gt;

&amp;#62; if you say &quot;belarus&quot; here in Finland, people think you mean that crap tractor

It is shows only lack of education of your people.

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&lt;b&gt;Kawa-Belarus:&lt;/b&gt;

Hahaha!! %))) But the question is how do you know such tractor? I thought we sell them only to LDC like Egypt or Iran :))))

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&lt;b&gt;prefixcaz:&lt;/b&gt;


Here's a few countries you can come up with new names for as apparently all of them use a similar term regarding your country.

FIN, SWE, DEN, NOR, ICE, EST, GER, HOL, GRE, TUR, ISR

'Rus' were originally from either Sweden or Finland or maybe both. The historians seem to have a bit of disagreements about the issue. In SWE a russian is 'ryss', in ENG it is 'russian', in FRA 'russe'. 

In FIN we have a term 'ryssa' but it is decided by court order that it is a racist term, so we are not supposed to use it. This means, that according to FIN law, we are actually not supposed to use this 'rus'-part. Instead we use the term that is thought to be more polite in FIN language.

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&lt;b&gt;Ghostsan:&lt;/b&gt;

we call you white russians also...so what...now?

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&amp;#62; we call you white russians also...so what...now?

read history books, perhaps?

stop being proud of your ignorance, perhaps?


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&lt;b&gt;prefixcaz:&lt;/b&gt;

Show some respect and don't come to the Finnish board and start calling people ignorant because they don't know your  country's history.

You have your BLR board to play with your nationalistic ideas. Go play with yourself!

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&lt;b&gt;prefixcaz:&lt;/b&gt;


You have made your point very clear to everyone, but I'm getting slightly pissed.

What do you want more?  Talk to a mirror. He'll listen, I'm sure.

Please write to University of Helsinki to  the linguistic faculty and present your facts. Stop writing this Bullshit here on the Finnish forum.

This is a hockey forum. Show respect and stop whining.

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&lt;b&gt;PWa:&lt;/b&gt;

so Belarus is not Vitryssland?

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&amp;#62; so Belarus is not Vitryssland?

Vitryssland is the Swedish name for the country known as Belarus in English and many other languages. In terms of its semantics and origin, the word &quot;Vitryssland&quot; is just a little &quot;mistake&quot;, a kind of &quot;Lost in translation&quot; type of misunderstanding. See for example, this discussion:

* http://www.pravapis.org/art_weissrussland.asp

It's about German word &quot;Weissrussland&quot;, but it equally applies to the word &quot;Vitryssland&quot;.

Sorry again for a bit of an off-topic non-hockey remark.

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&lt;b&gt;hockey-vm:&lt;/b&gt;

but but..
I think Vitryssland is absolutely correct
Bela means white in russian and Rus is russia (a russian coworkerker told me that)
So Belarus means exacly Vitryssland.

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Dear hockey-vm: 

1) Root &quot;Rus-&quot; means &quot;Rus'&quot; or &quot;Ruthenia&quot; in Latin or English.

It's a historic region that covers modern BELARUS, UKRAINE, a little bit of POLAND, a little bit of SLOVAKIA, and a very little part of Russia.

Thus, Belarus means &quot;White Ruthenia&quot;.

2) Modern Russia has almost nothing to do with &quot;Rus&quot;. It used to be known as Muscovy or Duchee of Moscow. But then they decided to occupy and destroy Ruthenians (Belarusans and Ukrainians), so for political reasons they also took this name &quot;Rossia&quot; (the Greek version of the word &quot;Russia&quot;). They stole the name in order to justify their &quot;liberation&quot; wars against Belarusans/Ukrainians.

Is it more clear now? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Excerpts from the discussion on ihwc.net forums:</p>
	<p><b>FireOnIce:</b></p>
	<p>Valko-Venäjä or &#8220;White Russia&#8221; is just the way the name of your country is written in Finland. That doesn&#8217;t mean that we think that you are Russians. We know that you are a separate nation.</p>
	<p><b>QC:</b></p>
	<p>actually in german we call your country weiss-russland, (which means white-russia too), </p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p>Dear QC, check out German Wikipedia, please:</p>
	<p>* <a href='http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus' rel='nofollow'>http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus</a></p>
	<p>Belarus ist nicht Weissrussland, aber Weissruthenien.</p>
	<p>&#8220;Der Name Belarus ist seit dem Mittelalter überliefert und wurde im 19. Jahrhundert allgemein üblich, ist aber mit „Weiße Rus“ (Ruthenien) ungenau übersetzt&#8230; Die Verwendung des Wortes Belarus bietet sich also an, um Unklarheiten zu vermeiden. Jedoch ist im Deutschen die Bezeichnung Weißrussland traditionell verbreitet. Die belarussischen offiziellen Stellen wie auch die deutsche Diplomatie bevorzugen auch in deutschsprachigen Texten den Namen Belarus, um die Unterscheidung von Russland zu verdeutlichen.&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p><b>Bungee:</b></p>
	<p>I have must laugh &#8212; this was good one.. splendid joke..</p>
	<p>And they even may say to Suomi guys like </p>
	<p>&#8220;Those who come, get drunk and then get back to White Karelia&#8221; &#8212;</p>
	<p>this one sentence made my buddy Pekka over here verrry angrrry</p>
	<p>But stilll FIN is still a bit too strong for BLR</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p><b>jäpäkyörä</b></p>
	<p>If you say belarus here in Finland ,people think you mean that crap tractor</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p>&gt; if you say &#8220;belarus&#8221; here in Finland, people think you mean that crap tractor</p>
	<p>Let me make myself clear. I&#8217;m not saying that you should use &#8220;Belarus&#8221; in Finnish. I just pointed out that &#8220;White Russia&#8221; is wrong and misleading. What you should use is totally up to Finnish people and Finnish linguist. I simply said that it&#8217;s the same if we call you &#8220;White Karels&#8221; or &#8220;White Estonians&#8221;.</p>
	<p>I also think those tractors are pretty crappy. But foolish Russians still buy them from us. ;))</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p><b>BLR:</b></p>
	<p>&gt; if you say &#8220;belarus&#8221; here in Finland, people think you mean that crap tractor</p>
	<p>It is shows only lack of education of your people.</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p><b>Kawa-Belarus:</b></p>
	<p>Hahaha!! %))) But the question is how do you know such tractor? I thought we sell them only to LDC like Egypt or Iran :))))</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p><b>prefixcaz:</b></p>
	<p>Here&#8217;s a few countries you can come up with new names for as apparently all of them use a similar term regarding your country.</p>
	<p>FIN, SWE, DEN, NOR, ICE, EST, GER, HOL, GRE, TUR, ISR</p>
	<p>&#8216;Rus&#8217; were originally from either Sweden or Finland or maybe both. The historians seem to have a bit of disagreements about the issue. In SWE a russian is &#8216;ryss&#8217;, in ENG it is &#8216;russian&#8217;, in FRA &#8216;russe&#8217;. </p>
	<p>In FIN we have a term &#8216;ryssa&#8217; but it is decided by court order that it is a racist term, so we are not supposed to use it. This means, that according to FIN law, we are actually not supposed to use this &#8216;rus&#8217;-part. Instead we use the term that is thought to be more polite in FIN language.</p>
	<p>&#8212;</p>
	<p><b>Ghostsan:</b></p>
	<p>we call you white russians also&#8230;so what&#8230;now?</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p>&gt; we call you white russians also&#8230;so what&#8230;now?</p>
	<p>read history books, perhaps?</p>
	<p>stop being proud of your ignorance, perhaps?</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p><b>prefixcaz:</b></p>
	<p>Show some respect and don&#8217;t come to the Finnish board and start calling people ignorant because they don&#8217;t know your  country&#8217;s history.</p>
	<p>You have your BLR board to play with your nationalistic ideas. Go play with yourself!</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p><b>prefixcaz:</b></p>
	<p>You have made your point very clear to everyone, but I&#8217;m getting slightly pissed.</p>
	<p>What do you want more?  Talk to a mirror. He&#8217;ll listen, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
	<p>Please write to University of Helsinki to  the linguistic faculty and present your facts. Stop writing this Bullshit here on the Finnish forum.</p>
	<p>This is a hockey forum. Show respect and stop whining.</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p><b>PWa:</b></p>
	<p>so Belarus is not Vitryssland?</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p>&gt; so Belarus is not Vitryssland?</p>
	<p>Vitryssland is the Swedish name for the country known as Belarus in English and many other languages. In terms of its semantics and origin, the word &#8220;Vitryssland&#8221; is just a little &#8220;mistake&#8221;, a kind of &#8220;Lost in translation&#8221; type of misunderstanding. See for example, this discussion:</p>
	<p>* <a href='http://www.pravapis.org/art_weissrussland.asp' rel='nofollow'>http://www.pravapis.org/art_weissrussland.asp</a></p>
	<p>It&#8217;s about German word &#8220;Weissrussland&#8221;, but it equally applies to the word &#8220;Vitryssland&#8221;.</p>
	<p>Sorry again for a bit of an off-topic non-hockey remark.</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p><b>hockey-vm:</b></p>
	<p>but but..<br />
I think Vitryssland is absolutely correct<br />
Bela means white in russian and Rus is russia (a russian coworkerker told me that)<br />
So Belarus means exacly Vitryssland.</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p>Dear hockey-vm: </p>
	<p>1) Root &#8220;Rus-&#8221; means &#8220;Rus&#8217;&#8221; or &#8220;Ruthenia&#8221; in Latin or English.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s a historic region that covers modern BELARUS, UKRAINE, a little bit of POLAND, a little bit of SLOVAKIA, and a very little part of Russia.</p>
	<p>Thus, Belarus means &#8220;White Ruthenia&#8221;.</p>
	<p>2) Modern Russia has almost nothing to do with &#8220;Rus&#8221;. It used to be known as Muscovy or Duchee of Moscow. But then they decided to occupy and destroy Ruthenians (Belarusans and Ukrainians), so for political reasons they also took this name &#8220;Rossia&#8221; (the Greek version of the word &#8220;Russia&#8221;). They stole the name in order to justify their &#8220;liberation&#8221; wars against Belarusans/Ukrainians.</p>
	<p>Is it more clear now? :)
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